I bought the 42 inch because of a few tight landscaping spots but after having it for a few years I wish Id bought the 50 inch. The John Deere Z345R gives you one of the best cuts on the market but the mower is lightweight and has small front caters which makes it much rougher to ride on than the other brands. It is easy to understand and I can see youve done your homework. Its built like a tank, rides well and cuts very well. Its pretty common to go through a belt a year with the with MTD 42 and 46-inch decks made before 2015. Hey Paul, Hi Randy, All have the EZT2200 axles. Expect 500-800 hour engine life. The Ariens IKON XL and Gravely ZTXL (Same machine) are good choices. Paul does most of his writing out in his workshop where he feeds the wildlife and birds in the yard. In terms of riding stability and safety (making turns) on a 15 degree slope, would a 46 zero turn with a steering wheel be more stable than a lawn tractor with a 46 deck? But then again, I might like the lighter Deere better for my lawn. Hi Adam, The Apex is comparable to the Cub Cadet Z-Force in price and features. Only the Timecutter has it. Whats your thought on the John Deere Z355E? Hi Adam, I recommend the Toro Titan with MyRide. The Model R is a culmination of over 40 years of commercial experience. Been using a 42 in cone drive dixon for 20 years with blower bagger. Mike C. Im going to be down in the Bradley, Il area the middle of June. Centipede grass needs to be cut at 1 1/2 inches, requires more power to cut and can quickly wear out cheap residential mower blades. I would check the belt you are using as a replacement. Im looking at the 42 inch airlines ikon x and the hustler raptor. Never had a ZTR, but I was initially leaning ZTR (looking at Spartan and Hustler SDX) UNTIL I stumbled on the Bradley Stand on in the same price range! Exmark radius E series 48 Thanks again! You should probably get a lawn service for your property so you could spend even more time answering our stupid questions. If you have ditches or slopes to mow never mow one that has a drop-off or pond at the bottom. Ill list them in my opinion the best choices. Which one do you think would be more durable? The Toro is the same engine that It will last many, many years. I recommend buying through an Ariens dealer instead of the big box stores. It was the kubota z421kw (54/60 inch) with the kawasaki engines. Both show it online so should be able to at least order the model I want. My initial thought on an attached bagger is that it wont hold the volume that the DR will (which has a 27 or 43 cu ft capacity) and you will be constantly emptying it. Ive always liked John Deere, but I am concerned that their decks accumulate too much grass clippings and get clogged. Well see what happens when the owner of the shelter balances longevity and cost. Of course, durability is important. I mow our residential, flat, 1 acre yard with ~10 trees and fence in Pittsburgh, PA. Unfortunately, the 50 inch is in high demand this year so you may have to go to a dealer to get it. The Gravely ZT XL model seems to be a good sweet spot with the 2800 transaxles and well-built machine. The shelter for the elderly homeless (where I live and work) has about 2 1/2 acres of mostly flat, open land to mow. Hi Jon, Wow! Troy-Bilt Pony, Bronco & Super Bronco Mower Review Ten Inexpensive Quality Mowers. The only maintenance is sharpening or changing the blade once a year. The owner is the type that likes to jump into a market, disrupt it, and move on to something else if he cant make a fortune. If I stay with a 50 Im trying to decide between the toro mx5000, the zt1 50, or the ikon x 52. I was hoping for Ariens (good bang for buck), but they only offer the 2200 transaxles through their X and XDunits and can only get the 3100 axles on the Apex units which are pretty close to the same price as gravely ZT HD. Which one is better and is it worth the money to get the ikon xl? Later, if it gets harder to get on and off you can always add the step and hand bar. I suggest using the Cub Cadet blades until Oregon comes out with a set for the Ultima decks. Cub Cadet ZTS (steering wheel ZTR) 50 inch and larger can handle 20-degree slopes because the front steering wheels help to hold the mower on the slope. Any recommendations you can provide will be greatly appreciated. Would I be perfectly happy with the Toro for my very average small lawn? Hi,Paul. The ZT2100 transmissions are too light-duty to pull a leaf vac. Troy-Bilt Zero-Turn Mower Review Inexpensive Quality ZTRs. It cuts well and is built like a tank. It one of the best riding ZTRs on the market. standard. I have a .5 acre yard planted with centipede grass with a drainage ditch along the road frontage. Are Spartans dependable and here to stay? R.O.P.S. Hi Kurt, Im always a little partial to the Exmark. The Toro is the highest-rated. Both brands are good. Its 25% more fuel-efficient and responds to heavy grass a lot faster than the carbd engines. I have about 5 acres with a few bumps but not too bad I will cut about once a week. Home Depot sometimes runs a 10% off special if the HD Credit card is used. Again, that seems too much money and I am struggling to justify spending that much. Titan 75316: 819 lbs: 409 - 491 lbs: Titan Max 76601: 876 lbs: 438 - 525 lbs: Note that I have . Ive done extensive research, and my head is spinning. My question is are the Ferris mowers worth it compared to some of these on your list? You can get it with the two lap bars but they also offer their Joystick Steering System. What do you say? I researched and asked around about the engines and decided that all engines need good upkeep, and good clean air filtration is paramount. I like the build quality of this mower, the cut quality, and I can easily recommend it for 2-3 acres. The driveshaft is more durable than the Grasshoppers. The owners really like how it mulches with the Toro mulch kit installed. To get a ZTR heavy enough to hang on that slope you need to be in the $6000 plus range. I know you really like the Toro units. I am considering a Kubota z231 BR-48 and a John Deere Z530M-48. I would love not doing that since I have to almost schedule in like 3 hours per week and that is around other demands of my time and also around the weather which can be challenging. If the model number starts with 247 it was made by MTD 917 it was made by Husqvarna. For more information on the Toro TITAN MAX and the limited HAVOC edition, please visit Toro's website. If you have a warrantied issue contact the store where you purchased it from to get the dealer to take it to. They both have the best cut. The deck independently rides over bumps, dips, and follows the contour of your lawn exactly. Today the Kawasaki FR is the oldest engine on the market. I have an ultima zt2. Both have great engines. Since my post Ive started looking at the scab patriot 61 inch. It will easily last you 10 years or more. Do you have a preference in the Ariens XD 52 vs the Toro 50? I put my leaf clippings in a mulch pile but if you did your property this way I would guess you would have less than 10 bags. Here's the perfect residential mower or commercial mower for mowing 5 acres - or more. Yes, the engine is made for Toro by Loncin. Lawn Care Distributors, Inc. is a wholesale distributor of outdoor power equipment, accessories, and parts. He mentioned and agreed but also suggested that the Cub and Toro will tow the same. Two questions who made that mower for Sears and any idea if I was lucky with the Deere, thi is normal wear (typically 35-50 hrs per season) or this is an issue? Many thanks to you and for your website! I own a JD LX280, which has been a great mower, but I have been looking at a ZTR for a couple years as an addition to the JD. Hi Jerry this suspension goes between your existing seat and the mounting plate. I assume that the ZT-2200s would be fine for my use than. Not because of serviceability but most of the other brands mow a lot better. The Courier is one of the lowest-rated mowers by Consumer Reports for every category they test. I guess I am torn between the Ariens Ikon 42 and the Cub ZT1 42. Although, I really didnt want to spend that much. I rate products differently than most sites. My third choice is the 52 inch Ariens IKON XD/Gravely ZT X with ZT2200 Trannys. They are called the ZT XL and ZT HD. I did make all my turns on a flat section at the bottom of the hill, and never got a chance to try making a turn on one of the sloped sections that ends at the tree line. Unfortunately, he dropped me as a customer after the second year, saying that the hillside was tearing up the transmission on his (relatively old) mower. I also use the mulcher in the fall for leaves. Bradley Stander 48. Yes, there are after-market manufacturers that make pull behind leaf vacs but that doesnt mean you should be putting one behind your zero-turn. Ive taken over an old horse pasture. The angle of the belt from the engine to mower is less when the deck is higher and that seems to help. The next most important factor is a comfortable ride as my yard, although flat, can be a bit bumpy. And trying to spend around $4-5k tops. I appreciate your knowledge and your site as it is a wealth of information and probably the most extensive and encompassing site out there. Ive been looking at Walker and some higher end Hustler and have up to $15000 New Zealand dollars budget ($9500 USD). Anyone considering buying the new Gravely zero turns need to reconsider it. Would this be enough to see a difference? The Ariens IKON XL 42 comes to mind. Ive owned them since 1997 and they have never let me down. Hi Rob, My first choice is the Ariens IKON XL at Home Depot. Now it just keeps throwing the belt off. What is your preference between the Kohler 7000 and the Kawasaki FR engines? I dont know how steep of slopes it covers. recommendedNo-Spill 1405 2-1/2-Gallon Poly Gas Can. For either of the above options, is a ROPS available? Ive been told to get a fabricated deck, though Ive read what you say about the John Deere stamped decks being good. Shopping question: I had narrowed my choice to the new Ariens Apex 48 or 52 (991161 & 991159). I think I have narrowed it to an Commercial grade Ariens 61 with the Kawasaki or a Toro Titan. 1. I lived in a condo that took care of the yard for 9 years so I havent mowed in almost a decade. I cant tell if this mower is any less stable on the hillside. As I look at prices for what I can get for a 50 with Toro and Ariens it looks like I can get either at around $3100 which is $400 more than what 42 V-Twin costs. Some commercial operators keep their mowers maintained and run them thousands of hours, junk them and then buy new. I think I like the idea of a lighter, more nimble mower, but perhaps the heavier one is better for most general applications. Not sure I can wait that long, though. The 54 deck would be welcome as I do have some wide open mowing spaces. All in all the Badboy and Hustler will have a stronger frame and deck, but on the Badboy the weakest link is the briggs engine making the kawasaki on the toro sound like the best buy for me. Join the discussionPaul, what is the blade speed on the Cub Cadet Ultima? If would you like to buy from your local dealer or store but still want to support TodaysMower just click on this link and buy anything you need. I dont think youll be happy with Husqvarna 254 over the years. -I have a Ferris IS3200 mower with wide cut. PLEASE ADVISE. Fuel Stabilizer: When I go to the gas station and buy fuel I always put fuel stabilizer in the storage tank. However, based on some of your previous reviews, it seems that I would probably need to be looking at a higher end garden tractor with a robust transmission and motor. The Cub Cadet 42 and 46-inch ZTRs have a stamped deck that does not cut as well as the Toros fab deck. I am now in the need for something more robust as the big dog has had a tough time on my farm. I will definitely take advantage of the discounts. Well we got the E170 and its a great mower but took forever to mow the lawn and sucked almost a tank of gas. I know they arent the best for hills but it isnt that hilly, gradual slope. It has really helped me through the process of shopping and gaining confidence with my decision. This will save a lot of wear and tear on the transmission. The fastidiously engineered Ultima delivers uncompromised performance and a hydrostatic transmission that maneuvers the mower effortlessly for smooth cutting dependability. Dump Carts There are cheap, good carts and expensive, bad carts. I mow just under 2 acres of mostly flat to gently sloping grass. recommendedNo-Spill 1450 5-Gallon Poly Gas Can (CARB Compliant)This one has a second handle in the back so it is very easy to use and hang onto when pouring into your fuel tank. None of those manufacturers will extend your ZTRs warranty in case your mower breaks using their leaf vac. Ive been looking at the Ariens Ikon XD 42 which seems well reviewed. Hi Paul, have you looked at the new Scag residential zero turn yet? Only applies to Pro machines. Thanks for your time. I have both brands and I use them all the time. My choice though is the IKON XL 52. Hi Pete, The Toro is very easy to work on. There are Exmark, Hustler, John Deere and Toro dealers near me. They are fast but they can also mow 24-inch grass cleanly if needed. Please excuse my novice level lol. Hi Jon, You wont over-stress your mower unless the grass is building up to the point where its stopping the deck. 1. 1, Walker Model R (new Model)42inch Kohler 7000 I am looking at zero turns and I feel like I can spend $3,000 or less and get a great mower. The for the advice Paul. Do you think one would last longer than the other, or be more durable, or function better, or offer better traction? With the belt loose wiggle the pulley on the electric clutch up and down (on the bottom of the engine) there should be no play. I put about 75 hours a year on my mower. The Kawasaki option does not seem to be available unless I want to order through a big box store. Hey Paul, Very informative article! OEM might even be kevlar belts but they pretty much always cost more. Bad Boy zero turn towing capacity. Father in law says he believes i could take a 60 inch back there with no problem and just lift the deck to avoid any small stumps etc that was left over from the guy clearing. Many commercial operators go back to the 30-36 inch walk-behinds because the small standers just arent that great. LapBars can really put a strain on your shoulders after a while. It just would not move. You are getting twice the mower, as Paul mentioned. It will last for you if you do two things. If you let your lawn get over 10 inches you may have to go back over areas to get a clean cut. Motor repair on commercial mowers can range anywhere from $1000-$4000 for 60-inch commercial zero-turn. The joystick seemed a little twitchy, but I think I could get used to it. Its good for up to 1/2 acre and 25 degree slopes. We have been wearing out two standard 21 mowers, and we need to buy a riding lawn mower. Several years ago you helped me purchase my Craftsman Pro Series 42 riding mower. The Z335 48 is the only ZTR I know of with 13 front / 20 rear tires under $3000, so it has me smitten. (same mower ones red the other is orange) The larger 20 inch rear tires really make a difference for traction on slopes. I was thinking of the Toro Timecutter 75742. The Gravely has the best deck for cutting longer grass and it will handle the hills. Hi Jeff, The Ariens IKON XD and the Gravely ZT X are the same mower. It uses the same commercial deck they use on all the other models. Based on your article, I am considering the Toro MX5075 MyRide and the Arins IKON XL 52. Great info. Hi Tommy, I like both the Toro and the Ariens/Gravely a lot. We have about an acre of lawn with a lot of pine trees, He has 5 acres of farm lawn with a few steeper slopes. The Fastrac is a great mower and the Raptor series has a good reputation especially if you have a good dealer to set the mower up initially. When you buy the Ariens at a big box store you dont always get the same service after the sale as you do when you buy from a dealer. Toro is offering a $300 discount on the 2000 series so check to see if you can stack that with the $1000 discount. What do you think? In the bulleted info points about the Toro above it reads: The JD dealers seems good and I looked at the Z700 series. , and. Dont really care for the gravely dealer. Im trying to find the balance between good quality and yet not go too overboard. Paul, Any thoughts on that machine? I would guess the average engine life to be 500-750 hours maybe 1000 if you change the air filter and oil when required. Thanks for taking the time to answer. Suburban house in CT 0.3-0.5 acres, small slope, about 3 trees to mow around and my backyard has oak trees bordering the edge so tons of leaves ALL THE TIME lol. 6. Universal Suspension SEAT KIT for Lawn Mowers. The Toro, Kohler 7000 and Briggs ELS are just as good. Also, Toro mowers have larger caster for cubs with sealed ball bearings compared to John Deere mowers. Instead, they shred the grass into little cotton balls That leave a mess on your lawn. Im looking for a new mower to handle about an acre of gently sloped (about 10 degrees in spots) yard and am seriously considering going for a ZTR mower. I know they are all about the same price but you are paying $1000 for the batteries in the Ryobi and $500 for the MyRide. The Radius X is also rock solid on slopes. I read everything you wrote about ZTRs, heck I even created a spreadsheet that shows, brand, model, engine, HP, transmission, deck type, deck size, and price. I have some areas where Its nearly a football field long! I enjoy mowing regularly (so Im looking forward to the fun of a ZTR). Anyways wanted to ask your thoughts before purchasing as you seem to be incredibly knowledgeable in this area, MyRide worth the extra money or are there other mowers out there that are a better deal in your opinion? (I live in central Ohio). They are the same price. One last question: is fabricated deck better than stamped? Hi Ryan, I actually recommend the John Deere Z355R. Hi James, The John Deere uses both the Intek and the ELS Briggs engines in various mowers. To compare apples to apples (by price) my first choice is the Gravely ZT HD/Ariens APEX. Mow heights 3.8cm to 11.4cm. EZT transmissions will hold up to regular mowing on normal slopes. But: I suggest taking a look at the Exmark Radius E and Radius S before you look at the Scag. The Toro Titan with MyRide is the best ride on the market right now. Have you any recommendations on those? The Walker also rides great because you sit directly over the large drive tires. It is a yard in the country, not a city lawn. Yes, they look cool but if you put one next to a comparable commercial mower (Toro, Exmark, Scag, etc) you will find cheaper parts in the Spartan. I think I would spend the extra money for the new 2018, but I would welcome your advice. ), The Ryobi is a good choice. My main priorities are ride comfort, ease of service, and durability. Most people seem to lean towards wanting Kawasaki engines. Finally, given I dont have a trailer and that my truck is a stepside bed, most of these mowers, I dont think will fit in my truck. Mulching capability is also a consideration, since I would like to mulch the grass clippings and definitely want to avoid raking leaves. Yes they are expensive, but then I dont have the maintenance and cost to run. Hi Paul, Thanks so much for the reply. They are both great engines. I own a summer camp with 3 large sport fields. 4. I think theres always 100.00 off to new card members for their first purchase. I do not need to tow anything. We also have a gorilla yard cart and would like some thing with a hitch pin to pull around firewood or brush etc. In the questions and answers, Toro says that they recommend 85 lb pulling. The hillside is mostly tall fescue with some clover and ground ivy. Ill be as frank as possible. (Home Depot Link) this mower mows well and will handle the ditch. Engine with 25 HP price starts from $6,299 to $6,499. The difference between 10 ga (9/64 inch) and 11 ga (1/8 inch)is less than the thickness of a sheet of paper. Im not sure which is more important for stability when turning on the hill. Walker Model R (local dealer) Right now the ZTR market is saturated badly and there are new brands entering the market every month. Which would you suggest? Only thing I have to go around is the back patio. Looks like the stripes would be off with the deck hanging out past the wheels so far. 42-inch Electric Zero Turn Mowers Ryobi, EGO, or Cub Cadet? Its really interesting how the Internet can get facts turned upside down. From what Im reading here the Ariens is better built but is it worth the few hundred dollars? I think you made my decision much easier! Warren, RI, Hi Mike, I knew you would like it! Any advice you can give on each for a residential lawn? Zero-Turn Mower. Because of the number of trees on the property, I feel like a lawn tractor would end up increasing the amount of time it takes me to mow over my current self-propelled mower so Im looking at ZTRs. Thoughts. The 52 and larger sizes cut as well as any other brand. This product has been designed for maximum performance and best-in-class comfort. Thanks, Last year I used 50 of those large, compostable yard bags and only about 85% of my leaves dropped before our first snowfall. First of all, great article. Ill try and stop by to ask them if they are having the frames farmed out. My comparison: (all have 60"-61" decks) Exmark Pioneer S Series $6,999. They compare favorably to the high-end Kohler Command and Briggs Vanguard. 2. The Toros and the ZT X use the ZT2200 transmissions. Toro Titan MX $6,100. Love the tire size for stability, traction, and to ease the bumps. They are priced well especially compared to the Kubota and Hustler SD. In fact you can buy the new 2020 50 (127 cm) TimeCutter Zero Turn Mower (75750) for less money. toro puts in their commercial mowers. Ive spent a bunch of time reading your site over the last week as Im looking to purchase a new mower. It has a very small, cheap engine. The Gravely ZT XL and the Ariens Ikon XD are essentially the same mower the Gravely just has the heavier duty transmission and a few other small features. Hi JD, I have no problems with any of the engines. Toro TITAN 60" / Model 75313. I really feel you are paying extra for the green paint compared to the Toro or even the Cub Cadet. Appreciate all the help! Since you will buy this from a dealer ask a mechanic to show you how to level the deck. Then if you still need help deciding which mower to buy feel free to come back and ask more questions here. About to own 1.5 fairly flat property with some trees and become first time ZT owner, too. Have you gotten any feedback from customers to compare the two? The MX5075 is a good choice because of the suspension seat butIn this case, they add the suspension but to keep the cost down they use a normal ZT2200 residential transmission. If you feel there is an different product that would better fit my needs then Id love to hear from you! Behold! Being disabled money isnt coming in like it used to be but my back is very sensitive so wondering if it is worth the extra cash? Toro timecutter HD or Its not a popular brand and I dont know anyone who actually owns one meaning I dont know enough about it to tell you if its good or bad. I cut about 2.5 acres per week of mostly flat terrain, including some tough pasture grass. Bad Boy zero-turn model . My overall goals were to have a reliable mower that could achieve a good cut and ultimately reduce my time spent mowing. Heres what I like about the Bradley (link below): ZT3400 drives / 23 rear tires. Hi Jon, I have no preference. In your case I suggest the Gravely. I do like the 42 in you sent above. Paul, our 1 acre lot in PA has some trees, and is a bit bumpy in spots. The other hidden gem is County Clipper. Hi Paul, want your view on a commercial quality/HD zero like the Scagg Tiger II 60ish deck, grasshopper, JD etc. I have seen some concern about the non-serviceable transmission on this model. Toro Timecutter: (they have a fabricated deck or a stamped deck not sure which to get) Havent seen no negative comments on these. My local Country Clipper only has a new 2018 Boulevard and a used 2016 Boulevard with 38.5 hours on the meter. But he also has the commercial Toro. Bobcat mowers have been around a long time and the mowers are very good. I live in NZ and have been reading reviews on Zero Turn mowers, checking specs against each other etc, etc,etc. 60 inch Standon ZTRs (my favorite) can handle slopes because if you get in trouble you just step off the mower and let it slide down the slope. Toro TITAN 60 in. They didnt have the optional step and grab bar, but I was able to get on and off by stepping on the deck and using the hand support in front of the left armrest to balance. I was also able to drive a zt1 50 at a cub dealer but he told me I could not engage the pto as then it would be considered used. Toro TimeCutter MX Mulch Kit. Hi Rob, each one has its advantages but they are so close in cut quality and durability the only real difference is the dealer support. Earl, Depends on the slope. It has a great engine, heavy-duty transmissions, and a great cutting deck. 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